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       A Short Story: Brief Dialog Between the Representative of Rainbow 
        and the Greek Ambassador at the OSCE during the HDIM in Warsaw 
      September
        29, 2005 
      Source: Greek Helsinki Monitor & Minority Rights Group
        - Greece 
       English
        - http://cm.greekhelsinki.gr/index.php?sec=194&cid=1261# 
        Greek - http://cm.greekhelsinki.gr/index.php?sec=192&cid=1236 
        read this page in Macedonian 
       
        At the recent HDIM (Human Dimension Implementation meeting)
        of the OSCE in Warsaw (25-30 September, 2005) dedicated mainly
        to human rights
        and minority issues, Rainbow has been participating as an organization
        of the Macedonian minority in Greece.  
      During the meeting representatives of NGOs are able to expose their
        views and facts before the State delegates regarding the violations
        of minority and human rights. 
      State and NGO delegates are speaking in the same place at the same
        time under equal conditions. State delegates have just one more right
        which is the right to reply. 
      In these circumstances a specific dialog is taking place among all
        the delegates of the meeting. 
      In this framework the representative of Rainbow was able to expose
        the present situation of the Macedonian minority in Greece as well as
        a general view about the issue of human and minority rights in Greece. 
      The representative of the Greek state has once again stated the well
        known views of the Greek government, arguing about the so-called non-existent
        Macedonian minority in Greece; referring to a small number of people
        speaking a "Slavic idiom" in Northern Greece. 
      The speeches of the representative of Rainbow can be seen on www.florina.org 
      Besides the official program of the meeting, the representative of
        Rainbow, Mr. Pavlos Voskopoulos, had the opportunity to discuss
        briefly with the Greek Ambassador to the OSCE, Mr. Lyssandros
        Miliaresis-Fokas, who
        was participating at this event. 
      This short discussion is the following text: 
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          | Voskopoulos: | 
          Good afternoon Mr. Ambassador. It was
            a tough day for all of us, don't you think so?  | 
         
        
          | Ambassador: | 
          How much money are you getting paid Mister for saying
            all of this here?  | 
         
        
          | Voskopoulos: | 
          I am surprised Mr. Ambassador. As I know you are
            officially paid well enough for being here, representing
            our country. We are financially supported by ourselves
            at such a meeting.  
              May I ask you, Mr. Ambassador, if the representative of the
                Greek minority in Turkey who spoke yesterday defending
                the rights of the Greek minority in Turkey is also paid
                by somebody? 
            Furthermore, what about the Greek minority in Albania?
              Have they also been
              paid by somebody in their struggle for human rights in Albania?  | 
         
        
          | Ambassador: | 
          What I know is that Greece is the most democratic
            country...  | 
         
        
          | Voskopoulos: | 
          Of course it is a democratic country, but regarding
            minority rights there is a deficit of democracy. Shall
            we work all together to overcome these problems?  | 
         
        
          | Ambassador: | 
          There are no minorities in Greece Sir, there is just
            a Muslim minority living in Greece under very good conditions.  | 
         
        
          | Voskopoulos: | 
          But Mr. Ambassador, how is it possible that Greece
            is the only state with no national minorities when all
            the other Balkan states are full of them? As there are
            Greeks in Turkey or
            Albania there are also minorities inside the Greek state.  | 
         
        
          | Ambassador: | 
          In Greece we have a large minority which is the minority
            of the economical immigrants traveling and staying in our
            country which is a real heaven for them...  | 
         
        
          | Voskopoulos: | 
          Mr. Ambassador all these immigrants are suffering
            in their countries and in some of them, Sudan for instance,
            there is an armed conflict so it's logical that they are
            coming to Greece
            for a better future as well as to other European countries.
            It's not because Greece is heaven that they are coming
            in our country... 
              By the way, when we are talking about
                immigrants, don't
                you think
                that it's time for our country to make a step forward
                and give Macedonian political refugees who participated
                the [Greek] Civil War the right to be
                repatriated. It's more a humanitarian gesture to at least
                allow these people to die in their birthplaces.   | 
         
        
          | Ambassador: | 
          What are you talking about Mister? You mean to let
            them enter our country as the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "Trojan horse"? | 
         
        
          | Voskopoulos: | 
          Mr. Ambassador I am surprised with your answer...Those
            people are mostly old men and women around seventy years
            old... Don't you really feel bad that you are representing our country
            in the OSCE with such extreme views... May I ask you why
            you did
            not give the same answers during the conference when the
            issue was presented by myself?  | 
         
        
          | Ambassador: | 
          Listen to me Mister. Greece has shed rivers of blood
            for its glory, for being where it is today!  | 
         
        
          | Voskopoulos: | 
          Mr. Ambassador I am once again surprised. In the
            present situation when we are all trying to build a United
            Europe, when we are fighting for peace in the early beginning
            of the 21st century you are talking about rivers of blood? You should
            know that we the Macedonians in Greece  care very,
            very much about peace
            and democracy in our country and obviously you cannot
            even imagine this...  | 
         
        
          | Ambassador: | 
          Well, if you don't like it you can leave Greece! | 
         
        
          | Voskopoulos: | 
          Mr. Ambassador I am now really shocked by what you
            said. Mr. Ambassador we belong to different worlds...  | 
         
        
          | Ambassador: | 
          Thanks God we belong to different worlds... | 
         
        
          | Voskopoulos: | 
          I hope the younger generation of Greek diplomats
            will not agree with your way of country thinking ...for
            the benefit of all of us... Your opinion is a shame to our country...  
              Good afternoon Mr. Ambassador I am leaving really shocked after
                what I've heard from you...  
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